A long standing elder told me recently that the reason there are so many weird people among JWs is that no other organisation would have them.
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Weird Jehovah’s Witnesses
by minimus inis it my imagination or are most witnesses weird, odd, and “different “?
it seems every congregation has a couple of weirdo elders, pioneers and ministerial servants.
and then you see those witnesses who attend meetings but most people seldom associate with them because... they are eccentric..
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I hate it when they say; “Don’t worry, Jehovah will take care of it”
by I believe in overlapping ini happen to run into a couple of elders and one of their bible studies was with them.
after we said our formal greetings to each other we caught up on each other’s history.
somehow the conversation took a turn into politics.
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They don't live in a way that indicates they actually believe the world will not last more than a few years
Spot on! And that’s been the case throughout my lifetime at least. There were those back in 1914 who didn’t plant next year’s crops, but since then most JW’s have hedged their bets.
There are exceptions of course, like those who sold their homes in the 1970s to pioneer till the end and sadly paid the price. ‘Jehovah will take care of it' is similar to the WT's other favourite piece of advice, ‘seek first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you’.
In this case however, they cannot hide behind the ‘group’ thing that blondie has pointed out, for that is definitely aimed at the individual. Of course, anyone naïve and stupid enough (like me when I was young) to take that at face value quickly learns that nothing is added, except hunger pains.
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Massive Shout Out to (JW) life saving Irish Doctor!
by Diogenesister incan we get the most massive shout out for retired surgeon dr. don macnamarra.
at point 16.29 in the radio show you can hear him discuss doing what i have always dreamed of doing.. a young woman came in through.a & e, victims of an rta, with a ruptured spleen.
there is no alternative in this case but immediate surgical intervention and literally pints of blood.
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So, she’s glad he sinned, but she’d be happy for Jehovah to condemn his for doing so. JW hypocrisy never ceases to amuse.
smiddy3 - quite agree, it must be a very heavy burden to carry around for the rest of your life. Is it right for the rest of us to say that we are 'glad' we never had to face that choice? For when I was PIMI I would have refused my child blood, and it is only good fortune that I have not had to pay the price for that decision.
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Day One After Armgeddon written by a JW awaiting the Big A w/eager expectation - Warning: LOOOONG!!!
by Eve Deceived inonce we found out we were all witnesses, we all hugged.
now we just had to see if our kingdom hall was still standing.
when we came to the hall we had such a huge shock.. there were so many people there.
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It would seem that creating fanciful stories about the coming ‘New Order’ is not a recent phenomena. Back in 1920 the following appeared in The Golden Age magazine (Oct 13, page 30). You will note that their expectations were not of a Big A, but rather a restoration of Israel, Joshua style, by slaughtering all their enemies, followed by a resurrection of the Worthies of Old who would gradually take over the reigns of government, while the rest of the world carried on as usual.
In the Days of Fulfillment-A Phantasy : as Leslie EmersonIt was a beautiful summer evening. The golden glory of the sunset and the gentle breeze, through the rich green of the trees in the city park, were in pitiful contrast with the scenes of ruin and wreckage which Mr. Porter passed on his way home. Crossing the park he came to a house sadly battered, the entire front being rendered useless. "Just to think," he murmured as he ascended the stairs, "once this was the Whiittaker mansion. Now it stands a mute testimony to the spirit of wanton destructiveness."
"That you, Uncle Jimmy?" cried a boyish voice from within. "Give the password." In another moment the broken door of the former study of Doctor Jonathan Whittaker was thrown open, and the two friends were again together after a day of thrilling events.
"O Uncle," said the boy presently, "how I thank God for your safe return!" "And I for yours, Philip", said the older man, reverently. "And," continued the boy, “I have ready the best supper in weeks. Have been foraging! No, I did not steal anything," he said, laughing. "Fishing all morning, then coming home I found cabbage, lettuce and turnips near a deserted farm-house. A neighbor kindly sold me a small loaf of bread."
"My dear boy, I have eaten nothing since morning. Your supper was a hungry man's meal. I have something that will interest you deeply. I was standing near the ruins of the building that once bore the name of Cooper, Porter & Co., when a former business friend came down Commerce Street and recognizing me said: 'Porter, have you heard the latest news from Palestine?' 'NO.' I replied, 'I probably have not. I know of the dreadful uprising against the Jews and of the reported destruction of their enemies, a wholesale slaughter according to reported accounts: nothing short of a miracle, just when it seemed that the newly established nation was facing utter ruin. Have you anything later?'
“ 'Indeed I have!' he replied, handing me this newspaper."
"Please read it, Uncle," said the boy, his face aglow. Mr. Porter read:
"Jerusalem saved! Palestine rejoicing! Jews by thousands accept Messiah! Former prophets declared awakened from the grave! Jews confronted by a gigantic contract in burying of corpses of their enemies! Appalling slaughter! Pestilence threatens unless bodies are disposed of! Notable leaders claimed to be Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Isaiah, et al, in charge of affairs! Report discredited! Fraud suspected."
"No, no." said Mr. Porter, as he threw down the paper, his eyes filling with tears. "It is no fraud; it is God's work. It is the resurrection of the Ancient Worthies. Oh, to think, Philip, that you and I should live to see this hour!"
The man of sixty and the boy of nineteen knelt together, thanking God for the manifestation of His marvellous power in behalf of His ancient people, Israel, especially that at last so many were able to see in Him whom they hitherto doubted - THE LONG-PROMISTED MESSIAH.
Philip took from an upper shelf a dark red volume entitled "Studies in the Scriptures, Volume Four". "Here it is, Uncle; this was my mother's book." He read as follows:
"The news of the discomfiture of the hosts of Gog and Magog, and of the wonderful deliverance of Israel from their enemies, will be speedily followed by the news of the appearance of their renowned fathers resurrected, and of the establishment of a government with these at its head and of the general conversion of Israel to their long-rejected Messiah. And no doubt much of this will pass for fraud amongst the Gentiles, and the Ancient Worthies will be classified as imposters." - "Battle of Armageddon," Page 628.
He also read from pages 626, 627. 640 and 641.
"Praise the Lord!" said Mr. Porter, "It will not be long, before we may have our dear ones restored from death. Let us still more earnestly walk the ways of righteousness. Oh who would not love and serve our Lord in this dawn of His day of blessing"
He was silent some moments and then added: "Just to think, Philip, Pastor Russell published the Fourth Volume of Scripture Studies, fore-telling these very events, back in 1897: and now we are living in the DAYS OF PROPHETIC FULFILLMENT." -
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Addison0998 - Number 8 is a big LIE!
fastJehu - 08. Big lie.
Is it? Do either of you two know? As St George of England posted, Robert Ciranko is President of the WTB&TS of Pennsylvania, and Leon Weaver Jr is President of the WTB&TS of New York. I doubt very much if many Dubs have heard of either of those guys.
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A little rant about prayer
by BourneIdentity inis god responsible for every good thing that happens in your life?
i ask this because a brother gave a talk several weeks ago and said that.
he said when anything positive happens, we must not assume it was by mere coincidence, but we have to have 100% confidence that jehovah cares for us and was involved.. however, people complain that jehovah doesn’t answer their prayers and are told you have to keep asking, you need to show him you really want it bad.
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Those who believe that their prayer has been answered when an outcome they have prayed for actually happens generally fall for the idea that “ALL prayers are answered, it’s just that sometimes the answer is no”. You cannot reason logically with such people. A parent watching their child starve to death while praying for food is simply unfortunate - their prayer WAS answered.
Such people are simply unable to see that the expression, “there but for the grace of God goes I” simply means, “there but for the lack of grace goes him”. Why God should discriminate so much doesn’t enter their heads, they are just thankful to God that He has provided for them. The idea of questioning why they have been favoured while others have not doesn't arise, after all, that would be questioning God's way of doing things, and that would never do.
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Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?
by smiddy3 infor the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .
are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.
here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.
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Do old time present day active JWs genuinely believe in overlapping generations?
No they do not because the WT does not teach overlapping “generations”. They still adhere to the doctrine of “ONE” generation, but now the actual meaning of Jesus words “this generation” is no longer, “beyond question, that which takes a ‘generation’ in the ordinary sense”, but has now been stretched to include ‘anointed Christians’ born anywhere from the 1880s to the 1960s, so long as the latter overlap with the former while they where anointed.
It’s not incomprehensible, it's really quite simple, just total nonsense.
Last year I had a conversation with an ‘anointed’ witness who I have known since the early 1970s, and he claims he can clearly see the logic of this new understanding. Whether he actually believed that deep down, or was just paying lip service for my benefit I cannot say, but he seemed to genuinely accept it. -
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The Truth about the bible
by TTWSYF init really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.
they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.
they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].
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The Bible is based on the Catholic Church.
How do you work that out? The bible came first, and most of it is Jewish, not Christian.
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The Truth about the bible
by TTWSYF init really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.
they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.
they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].
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They used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of THEIR cannon.
Even if this were true (which it isn’t) it would only apply to the new testament. The OT cannon was pretty much established long before Jesus arrived.
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Ignorance of Watchtower doctrine among young JW's
by nicolaou ini've been having a conversation with a young jw on twitter and have, once again, come up against beliefs that do not match up with official watchtower doctrine.
if you like you can read the full thread here (you'll need to click on some comments to open it all up).. anyway the upshot is that this jw, and many like her, believe that only truly wicked people will be killed at armageddon - not innocent babies and children or anyone who "didn't know better" perhaps because they didn't get a witness.
it's as though they cannot accept the obvious injustice of jehovah's morality.. this jw teenager believes that all these non-jw's who survive armageddon will get their chance to prove their loyalty during the 1000 year reign of christ - again, not a watchtower teaching.. i don't really have a question to ask, this is just an observation.
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some resurrected people would be allowed to practice vile things during Christ's 1000 year reign
TFG, I've only heard that said about the period at the end of the 1000 years after Satan is released. I would be keen to have a reference in JW literature that says it will happen during the 1000 years. Do you have one?